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Username: {PegAsi♥} Nightmare Woona   |||  {Woona♥} PegAsi

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{PegAsi♥} Nightmare Woona <STEAM_0:0:35271160>  

{Woona♥} PegAsi <STEAM_0:0:85716097> 

 

Steam Profile: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198030808048/

http://steamcommunity.com/id/PegAsi_Aviation/

 

Ponyville Server:    Ponyville.net (Europe) - Versus Ponyville

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Countless times Ive seen these two hiding and being practically friendly untill they are the last two alive, as well as being quite rude to other players, including me as Im writing this, they constantly spam the leny faces and "U mad" 

I have two screenshots of them using this but I am not that active on the europe server and more on texas but I have seen them being friendly as well as other people, I joined just after the map had been extended on arena gate and they were sitting in the tunnels/catacombs doing nothing untill crits, even when the hale had walked past them.

Darkkiller was on and I kept trying to talk to him but he did nothing but he later told me he was busy and could not keep an eye on everyone dispite there only being 3 people left, so I later had to get another member of staff in but they both leave or stop when a member of staff is on because they know they can not get away with it.

They have been doing this countless times and it has gone on long enough, if someone were to record all the times they had practically broken the rules, it would have added up to a month ban or less depending on the admin by now.

 

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/536261549212581882/8522988C91D5767969F2FAC6488A26BE037AFB1C/

This first one is a crack at me because I had lost my moderator powers, he was not the first to do something like this and he will not be the last

 

http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/536261549212579919/0DE31467743E9A0F73AE779CD24E293293548649/

Edited by Caboose

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Wow.

Can you prove the stalling?

Cause I mean those 2 pictures already do seem VERY disrespectful and it should be brought to attention, but we need stalling and friendly proof before anything big can happen.

 

Also, Darkiller was on the server at the time? I mean if he sees something like that he should be aware that that is indeed stalling and either gave a warning or even kick them for what they were doing...

Edited by General Scootz

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Well as I said, they usually stop when a member of staff comes on or I come on because they know that they can't do it

And I usually call a member of staff or something when they do it so its hard but I'll try

 

They have been doing this for a good month or two now but again Darkkiller was on one of the times they were hiding and being friendly but he was doing nothing :/

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I can vouch for them being friendly as they do this constantly..i have a pic of Woona doing it at one time.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=353000091

They got their damage and did nothing the rest of that round..well woona didn't becuase she is usually left alone more often than Pegasi.

Sorry for the double post but she does do really rude things too..

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=357282787

she had been banned for this already but some how got out of it really early.

Edited by Raini

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Those screenshots are very inconclusive, and unfortunately I have a bit of a contrary tale.

edit/note: I made this post before the reply above, though that screenshot was already acted upon.

Before there was a european server, these two would indeed camp...until the medic got uber. Then they'd go out, fight the hale with uber, then run back off and build it up again. Repeat the process ad nauseum.

Which there's nothing wrong with. I'm guessing they're like a RL couple so while it might seem antisocial that they sometimes shut out the rest of the world, that's really all it is as far as admins are concerned.

From my observations long ago, when one died, the other would just take on a normal role until they died too. It'd be impossible to convince me otherwise with just screenshots...I can see how the two standing in place for a minute can be misconstrued.

As for those screenshots, their barbs are just that...barbs, not spears or jackhammers. It's also missing half of the conversation and Caboose, you are known for tossing out barbs (on voice chat) yourself. heh.

Edited by sarysa

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If this happened while Darkkiller was on at the time they were doing this, I'm actually shocked that he didn't really take any action as to gag them on the spot.

 

Let alone them being friendlies, especially in Nightmare Woona's case.

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Im getting sick of them always being friendly..Yes they do the Hide and build uber trick and that's fine but they do act friendly A LOT. Something needs to be done about this.

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The other part of the conversation was that I said something to a hale to and help him out, Woona responded >> Edit: with "Caboose dont be useless and help hale thx" or something like that << and I said "Excuse me?" then that happened.

 

And they did not build uber and go out and fight, they just sat there and did nothing untill they were the last two,

 

Edit: Also would like to point out if they shut out the rest of the world that does not make them immune to doing all this? and I dont see you on EU all that often but that might be my timezone but hey ho, they still do it

Edited by Caboose

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Honestly, they need to be punished.

 

Caboose has already been punished for what he's done and he doesn't need to be reminded everyday that he lost mod.

 

They deserve what's coming for them:

 

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I don't want to see the "Friendly" rule devolve into some vague tool for getting rid of people...because frankly I think the rule is damn vague. All I'm seeing are screenshots of PegaSi in a high five pose while both seem to have damage. If I banned people for that, I'd be banning half the server including most admins. At least provide some sort of video.

Yes what Woona said was nasty and maybe should've brought them more time but Star ruled on that and that judgment needs to be respected. It's in the past now.

Edited by sarysa

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I'll say it again, I try to get proof of them just hiding but its the fact they stop whenever a member of staff or I come on because they know full well that they or I will do something about it

 

Not trying to get them banned or anything but its just really god damn annoying now, and if we just let people get away with it then they will do it again and again

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At least provide some sort of video.

Yes what Woona said was nasty and maybe should've brought them more time but Star ruled on that and that judgment needs to be respected.

One other thing...since there's another nasty trend that's been going on lately. It's the habit of setting people up.

Some people are really easy targets when provoked. Luckily I was there two days ago when a certain Texas regular got into a scuffle with a mod and I saw both sides. I'd really prefer to see both sides of any future reporting of these two because I already feel like the next report is going to be a result of provocation. It needs to stop.

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It is difficult to judge a situation like this based solely on two screenshots when anything could have transpired beforehand over voice or text to invite those kinds of responses. We would really need some other evidence or witness accounts.

 

I can't recommend a permanent gag based on the spamming of "u mad" or Lenny faces because the only occurrence found within chat logs from the last three days was the conversation documented within the screenshots, which occurred today:

 

 

 

(Jan 27 |17:14:49| 2015) ๖ۣۜDarkkiller: "w +m1 won"
(Jan 27 |17:14:54| 2015) peti0101: "hello doctor"
(Jan 27 |17:14:58| 2015) Lustrous: "Help, I'm stuck in a chatroom with Kumar and Gummy"
(Jan 27 |17:15:02| 2015) Woona♥ PegAsi: "/tp"
(Jan 27 |17:15:08| 2015) Lustrous: "No!"
(Jan 27 |17:15:11| 2015) Lustrous: "You will ruin it!"
(Jan 27 |17:15:37| 2015) Lustrous: "Gummy just went afk to do a comission anyway"
(Jan 27 |17:16:04| 2015) Lustrous: "/ponyboss"
(Jan 27 |17:16:47| 2015) Zero: "/halenext"
(Jan 27 |17:17:07| 2015) ๖ۣۜDarkkiller: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:17:45| 2015) R3AP3R: /fp
(Jan 27 |17:18:07| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "/boss"
(Jan 27 |17:19:49| 2015) (PT)JuzzyFoxdale: "get rekt"
(Jan 27 |17:20:27| 2015) R3AP3R: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:21:33| 2015) R3AP3R: /fp
(Jan 27 |17:21:35| 2015) (PT)JuzzyFoxdale: "/ponynext"
(Jan 27 |17:21:59| 2015) peti0101: "sunset shimer nextime help me ok"
(Jan 27 |17:22:18| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:22:24| 2015) R3AP3R: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:22:29| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "/ponynext"
(Jan 27 |17:22:31| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "!boss"
(Jan 27 |17:22:34| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "/nominat"
(Jan 27 |17:22:37| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "/nominate"
(Jan 27 |17:22:54| 2015) (PT)JuzzyFoxdale: "/ponynext"
(Jan 27 |17:23:43| 2015) R3AP3R: /fp
(Jan 27 |17:24:14| 2015) Emil: "Hej :)."
(Jan 27 |17:24:19| 2015) R3AP3R: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:24:23| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:24:23| 2015) (PT)JuzzyFoxdale: "/ponyboss"
(Jan 27 |17:24:29| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:24:36| 2015) R3AP3R: /fp
(Jan 27 |17:24:44| 2015) Vampire Pon-3(Red): ".ез"
(Jan 27 |17:24:47| 2015) Vampire Pon-3(Red): "/tp"
(Jan 27 |17:25:16| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "Caboose stop been useless to tell what to do to the boss"
(Jan 27 |17:25:17| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "thx"
(Jan 27 |17:25:29| 2015) Emil(Red): "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:25:38| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "What you gonna do"
(Jan 27 |17:25:39| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "ban me"
(Jan 27 |17:25:40| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "O wait"
(Jan 27 |17:25:41| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
(Jan 27 |17:25:42| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
(Jan 27 |17:25:50| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: You mad? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
(Jan 27 |17:25:56| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "Of course you mad"
(Jan 27 |17:26:10| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:26:18| 2015) (PT)JuzzyFoxdale: "/ponynext"
(Jan 27 |17:26:26| 2015) peti0101: "see sunset shimer im helple earlier"
(Jan 27 |17:26:41| 2015) Zero: "/boss"
(Jan 27 |17:27:09| 2015) peti0101: "go doctor go"
(Jan 27 |17:27:27| 2015) R3AP3R: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:29:27| 2015) Emil(Red): "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:29:33| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "!boss"
(Jan 27 |17:29:39| 2015) Emil(Red): "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:30:01| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:30:08| 2015) peti0101(Red): "sunset shimmer next time we falow deflector shegeat the good ideas"
(Jan 27 |17:30:15| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:30:17| 2015) Sunset Shimmer: "nope"
(Jan 27 |17:30:20| 2015) Vampire Pon-3(Red): "/ff2next"
(Jan 27 |17:30:22| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:30:53| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:31:01| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:31:01| 2015) peti0101: "then im help you them this is my plan for helping the adher engis"
(Jan 27 |17:31:07| 2015) Emil: "!ff2 boss"
(Jan 27 |17:31:23| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "boring"
(Jan 27 |17:32:19| 2015) Sunset Shimmer: "wow"
(Jan 27 |17:32:33| 2015) peti0101: "fuck im told nonon woona and pegasi"
(Jan 27 |17:32:47| 2015) Woona♥ PegAsi: "?"
(Jan 27 |17:34:08| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "Hello everyone c:"
(Jan 27 |17:34:20| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "/boss never"
(Jan 27 |17:34:24| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "Hi, Twily"
(Jan 27 |17:34:25| 2015) Sunset Shimmer: "Hello Twily"
(Jan 27 |17:34:35| 2015) Vampire Pon-3: "Hello"
(Jan 27 |17:34:55| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "/tp"
(Jan 27 |17:35:49| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "!boss"
(Jan 27 |17:36:09| 2015) NoTime4UsAll: /tp
(Jan 27 |17:36:11| 2015) NoTime4UsAll: /fp
(Jan 27 |17:37:09| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "/ponynext"
(Jan 27 |17:37:44| 2015) Zero(Red): "would be a shame indeed"
(Jan 27 |17:38:12| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "/ponymusic"
(Jan 27 |17:38:18| 2015) Caboose: "Just rage them"
(Jan 27 |17:38:25| 2015) Caboose: "/halehp"
(Jan 27 |17:38:25| 2015) linus: "emil swe?"
(Jan 27 |17:38:56| 2015) Twily(PrettyPonyPrincess): "/ponymusic"
(Jan 27 |17:39:00| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "!halehp"
(Jan 27 |17:39:40| 2015) Caboose: "Told you to rage em :V"
(Jan 27 |17:39:53| 2015) Emil: "gave du op <:) ???????? hahaha"
(Jan 27 |17:39:55| 2015) Doctor Whooves: "oh, cmon"
(Jan 27 |17:40:06| 2015) Emil: "??????????????????"
(Jan 27 |17:40:12| 2015) linus: "Emil are you swe??"
(Jan 27 |17:40:37| 2015) Zero: "headshot"
(Jan 27 |17:40:47| 2015) PegAsi♥ Nightmare Woona: "/boss"

 

Regarding the "friendly" behavior, I saw no complaints of it from other players within text chat when I reviewed today's log. The screenshots also show, as Sarysa already pointed out, that damage was being dealt to the Boss. I'm in agreement with Sarysa that we need more evidence than this to act on the recommendation of a Ban.

 

I also do not want to see players banned for using legitimate strategies, such as charging up an Uber before engaging the Boss. That's not being friendly -- that's being prudent.

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I for one know these players very well from their behavior in-game, and trust me it's not a good reputation with them either. I mean sure, they use the Pocket medic and Phlog pyro, so I mean that's fine. On a friendly level, trust me it ain't that bad. I have not once ever seen them go friendly to a point where it's on a EU level where it's a 1+ minute stall, or a complete friendly stance toward a certain player.

It was around 6 months ago I remember a incident when I was very active on the Funbox 24/7, and Woona and Pegasi would come on a lot to play, but these 2 would almost seem to cause trouble. Not along the lines of friendly, or stalling but with a clear sense of subtle to out there harassment. Best example I can get was a old player named Sureshot who would repeatedly get his teleporters taken by Woona, and when asked to stop nicely, she would not listen and would reply that Sureshot wasn't a moderator thus not being able to tell her what to do, and other things. Chuckle then came on, since we all were in a skype call together and banned Woona for 30 minutes over harrassment in-game on Sureshot. Case in point, she is not a person who has just started doing this. She openly does it even if clearly bad or not, she will try to purposely get you angry. My idea? Ban her. She is someone that just does this too much and in my opinion behavior like this should not be tolerated, even in Cabooses case where it is clearly not bad, but still meant to cause anger and annoyance.

Edited by Holy Bird Pope

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I trust you and Steel Crescent on this. I understand that these two also have a history of rude behavior that they have been punished for in the past. The issue for me is that I checked the logs from Europe for the last three days and found no evidence of them stalling or being friendly, nor any excessive use of phrases like "u mad?" or lenny faces. The only evidence of this that I found was from the day Caboose made this report and there is no record of what was said between both parties as Caboose seems to have spoken to them over voice chat only. Maybe they deserve to be banned, but I can't find any evidence relevant to this specific report to justify it. I think the harshest punishment I could give for this incident would be a permagag on Europe if other staff recommend it.

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Truth be told, I don't think English is the first language of either of them. That speech that got Woona banned sounds like it came straight out of South Park...or about 70% of the other TF2 servers out there. (and 95% of CoD servers ;p ) Her first retort to Caboose in Raini's log made no sense, it just seemed like she was parroting something Caboose said to her. Maybe someone should just talk to them, preferably in their own language?

 

Not trying to excuse it by any means, just playing devil's advocate here.

Edited by sarysa

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